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ID: 3c215  No.11905[View All]

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ID: 3e8b2  No.12220

>>12219

Then can you offer any new criticism? Rather than saying the last things that have been said about knighthood over and over again? I'd like to hear that. Just surprise me. I'm getting bored of *Las Lindas page*
"I hate Mora! Taffy and Rachael are ruined forever"
*Knighthood Page*
"Ugh, more shonen naruto bullcrap. So Cringy"

It's like clockwork and the ticking is driving me nuts. If you have any new opinions I'd love to hear them.

ID: 1ad98  No.12222

>>12220
Again with these notions that everyone who complains or critiques in the slightest is the same person, everyone who says something negative or criticizes anything in Las Lindas automatically despises Mora (despite even forumites who have no problem with her pointing out how poor her decisions have been lately), and people are mad that Knighthood is shonen as opposed to the fact that it's just really fucking shoddily written.

Look, if you want to think this shit's great, go right ahead, but don't start whining when everyone else expresses how they feel about each increasingly stupid and lazy page. The person you responded to even went into greater detail about why they're so put off by this, and apparently that's still not good enough, so what do you even want really?

ID: f30eb  No.12223

>>12220
I can and I have "this particular moment doesn't feel earned. We haven't spent enough time with Joy trying to unlock this new power and possibly struggling to do so. We haven't spent enough time getting to know the villain so she feels truly threatening."

There's even a constructive part to that criticism that should be relatively obvious. Have Joy really struggle to unlock this ability. Put her through her paces and push it just to the point where she feels like giving up hope, where she truly feels like she's going to break, but needs it for an incredibly important moment.

Have more shots of the villain. Rumors of her destructive rampage and powers. Have her sow chaos and disorder and have those that have tried to face her be demolished time and time again. Both of these things need to take place over a longer stretch of time as well.

I'll toss in a couple other new things as well for good measure. 1: Tell us WHY this is fine tell mus how this is actually good story telling. Explain it in an honest and sincere manner. It's a win win if you can change my mind at the very least because I'll be enjoying the story again. 2: I've no prob with Las Lindas. I like it and think it works just fine with the type of story it is. I like the characters especially Miles tbh despite what I've heard about others disliking him.

I get that you like this, and I have no wish to insult anyone's work. I'm a creator too and I understand how much effort and care is put into these pieces. There's no way I'd call anything "crap, garbage or shit" cause it's not. But to go around saying everything is hunky dory would be a disservice the creators and the fans.
>>12222
TY! \o/

ID: 1ad98  No.12224

>>12223
>especially Miles

Okay but why tho

ID: 3e8b2  No.12225

>>12222
>>12223
Thanks. that's all I really asked for.

ID: 0b464  No.12226

Ok, I probably am in the minority here, but I actually enjoy Knighthood. Sure, I wish more could be done per page, but at the same time, it would overwhelm if there was so much crammed into a single page. Yes, this has been going since late 2008, but I was really eager to read the story when it was first mentioned. The writing is decent, but could use a little revision in some areas. But I think the other thing that one needs to take into account is this is also Chalo's idea as well, in that he gets to explain more about the Crests and the Prime history and what have you. Sure, Curran may be the writer for the comic, but Chalo also gets input for what can be done. I will admit, I was surprised at the one page where Ayah massacred that Knight cell (rest in peace Codex, we barely knew you..) And now we're at the part where Joy finally has her Clan Power starting to show itself (not sure -what- that is exactly, but it seems neat). I'm just going to sit back and watch how things progress. It's a shame that there's not more frequent updates, but considering it's just a side story to the main Las Lindas comic, I'll take what I can get. -shrug-

ID: 4496f  No.12227

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ID: 4496f  No.12228

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ID: f30eb  No.12229

>>12224
I relate to him, especially when I was younger lol. He's honest in what he wants, is frustrated the world doesn't seem to want to conform to his views (the world never will) and it often bites him in the ass :P Usually has to learn lessons the hard way. He does learn them, but he does so while still remaining true to his own principles I feel. Comes across as an asshole, but truthfully just lacks tact (at least imo) That's the abbreviated version of why I like Miles anyway :P

>>12226
I'd agree with you on all points there. I've been liking the story up until now and I am a-ok with Chalo going over some lore. I wouldn't want them to fit more stuff in a single page, I think that would detract from it somewhat, make it too busy/clustered. I just think this current event could have used more build up. More events like you mentioned with Ayah, etc. But who knows, maybe there's a reason this segment feels so rushed. I hope it transitions to something I'm not expecting.

ID: bf2fd  No.12230

>>12205
Welp, looks like Ayah's gonna die, I'll miss dem thighs, babe. :(
*a moment of silence for dat ass*

ID: 1ad98  No.12231

>>12229
>implying Miles actually learns anything

If he did, he'd have stopped being such a douchebag long ago. Hell, if the point of any of his scenes was to actually teach him lessons and make him aim to be better, he wouldn't inexplicably be with Rachael right now and would've had to either genuinely earn it or accept that she's not into him and move on. And honestly, I think he's definitely in a world that conforms to his views and wants, has been pretty much ever since he found the plane.

>>12230
If Joy is actually already about to end a character who's been built up as such a massively powerful threat, I call bullshit.

ID: f30eb  No.12232

>>12231
If you can call that building up >_> Even if Ayah has to retreat or it's a stalemate…. Some powerful threat :S I honestly hope something I don't see coming happens.

In terms of Miles, people learn all the time and continue to be douchebags :P Never said he wasn't one either, just that I like his character :) I think his relationship with Rachael, was a bit rushed in terms of pages, but I still liked it. Kinda starts off as this unique kind of respect/friendship/relationship. Odd, but fitting. In terms of being handed stuff though, if that were completely true, Taffy would have had sex with him :P Mora wouldn't hate him. etc etc

I'd actually like to know which characters in the series you like and why as a point of reference if that would be cool :)

ID: 0b464  No.12233

>>12229
Oh wow, someone who actually agrees. I was worried, considering most of the folks here on the site are a bunch of whiners and no funsies. Seriously, every time a Knighthood page gets posted, everyone seems to bitch and moan about all the cliches. Let some of us have our fun. I think it's entertaining, and I love learning about the lore. Plus it's nice to see Chalo expand his artistic horizons by drawing certain scenes you wouldn't have expected (like the page with Ayah murdering those Knights and the Nanozell Spirit). But anyway, I don't care what those other people say/think. I am enjoying the story a great deal. I'm just looking forward to when it gets to the part where Joy encounters Minos…and Geecku.

ID: 1ad98  No.12234

>>12232
They barely even reached a genuine friendship stage before he declared them dating and she suddenly did a character 180 and went along with it.

Of course, her character seems pretty inconsistent now, given we've also seen her laugh hysterically at the notion of him being her ideal man.

Also note that I said the plane marked the world starting to bend to his whims, which was long after his breakup with Taffy. Hell, he'd already been handed Rachael as some sick kind of raise by then.

And at this point? Out of the main cast, basically just Alej and Sunny are still actually good, maybe Tootsie when she's not just being used to regurgitate memes and references.

>>12233
Not liking bad writing doesn't mean we hate fun any more than it means we hate shonen.

ID: f30eb  No.12235

>>12234
I dunno, laughing at Miles for being incredibly presumptuous and cocky seems right up her alley. Key words at him, not with lol.

Fair enough about the past the plane point, I just don't see those as free givens to him I suppose. He even had the opportunity (if I am remembering right) to take off in that plane and and go elsewhere "start fresh" but opted not to. To me that shows some growth. He had something, but showed restraint and thought in not immediately using it, and then opted to stay, possibly even realizing that just running away from his problems does him no good. That plane would be grounded again eventually and he'd be back to square one, just with unfamiliar faces.

That said, you hate a character, you hate a character, nuff said :P I'd actually ask do you hate him because he's poorly written or do you hate him because he's a jerk? One implies decent writing eliciting an emotional response. I don't think you'd have such a strong negative response towards him if it was bad writing. How would you fix him if you could? I'd actually really like to see your answer on that last one :)

side note out of curiosity, do you dislike the other character you didn't mention or they just kinda "eh wtv"

ID: f30eb  No.12236

>>12233
Learning about the lore/world building and backstories are actually some of my favorite parts in these comics :) And I love seeing new things from artists which they don't commonly get the chance to do. I think the vast majority of people who are liking something are largely quiet sadly ^_^' That said, I hope my recent critiques haven't dulled your enthusiasm for the story. They honestly come from a place of wishing for improvement in the future, never to trash on anything. I'm not sure why you mention Joy meeting Geecku and Minos. Maybe I'm missing something or you have some inside info on that, so no spoilers plz XD I am intrigued as to why that would be a thing now tho haha

ID: 1ad98  No.12239

>>12235
>I dunno, laughing at Miles for being incredibly presumptuous and cocky seems right up her alley.

Oh, I didn't say it isn't. But it's pretty inconsistent to have her be all lovey-dovey waifu with him one moment and then basically confirming he's still not her type the next. And this was after she'd ALREADY confirmed he's still not her type.

>He even had the opportunity (if I am remembering right) to take off in that plane and and go elsewhere "start fresh" but opted not to.


No, at the point where his and Rachael's scene last made sense, she said he can go run off with some dream girl or stay with the one real friend he has, and he chose the latter. Which then devolved into him dictating that they're a couple now, her going along with it without question and them kissing like they've been in love for years. The plane wasn't even ready by then, and yeah, he still plans to run off when it's done, only this time with Rachael.

>I'd actually ask do you hate him because he's poorly written or do you hate him because he's a jerk?


Both. Because early on, he wasn't terrible. He had potential to actually BE the "jerk with a heart of gold" his fans THINK he is. But by the time Digit arrived, he'd begun turning into basically every self-entitled Nice Guy ever. Learning Curves only made things worse, especially when we saw Hope reward him with sex after he ruined their date because SoulKat is a person with a frightening mindset who "[doesn't] believe sex should be a reward for good behaviour"–basically he literally said she owed it to him because he did something nice for her. And that was even before the plane turned him into a Reality Bender, if I recall correctly.

>side note out of curiosity, do you dislike the other character you didn't mention or they just kinda "eh wtv"


Mainly dislike, yeah. And what's sad about that is I used to like many of them.

ID: f30eb  No.12240

>>12239
I disagree on a few of those points just from my personal perspective, but for the time being I'ma put that aside. Will get back to that later.

I realize this might potentially be a long one, so will wait on it take you're time, but what flaws do you see with the characters you no longer enjoy? How would you fix these situations if you could for each of these characters including Miles?

ID: 3c215  No.12241

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ID: 1ad98  No.12244

>>12240
But those are all objective facts. They're not opinions, just things that actually happened.

And as for the others, they all just either stagnated or actively became worse as characters, some over time and others all at once. To fix them would require going back anywhere from dozens to hundreds of pages.

>>12241
…Did he retcon her age AGAIN?

ID: 0b464  No.12245

>>12236
Oh, well, it's because in the past, folks have asked about that, and Curran did mention that yes, Joy will eventually cross paths with both Minos and Geecku as part of her training to become a Knight. That will happen further down the road though. Since there are 12 Crests, and Joy has met 3 so far (Kate=Light, Carmesi=Fire, and Grace=Love) so there's still 9 more to go.

ID: 1ad98  No.12247

>>12245
Your forgot Ambar, that's four.

Which begs the question, if this is her after meeting them and briefly training with one, what sort of overpowered god creature will she become after encountering all of them?

ID: 3c215  No.12248

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ID: 8944b  No.12249

It's been brought up before, but why are so many people following this comic if they find it so detestable, in terms of writing?

Is Chalo's art really good enough that people stomach reading his webcomic? You can find equally good, if not better, art without putting up with the comics.

ID: f30eb  No.12250

>>12244
"a view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge." What you have there, are opinions. You are entitled to them, but unless you offer me a literal scientific study on the piece backed by peers, they will remain just that, opinions. And considering the topic and all its apparent emotional weight to you, that's also the best I can offer in return here. Opinions.

Right off the bat a difference of opinion is I don't see her being super lovey-dovey ever. She's just not the type and hasn't illustrated that to my eyes. Playful in these situations, sure, but lovey-dovey is more like how I'd describe Taffy and Randal.

In terms of allowing him to dictate anything, I also don't see that. If that were true she wouldn't have ribbed him for his provocative poster etc. Healthy couples do this to one another all the time btw, it's not really proof of her absolutely rejecting him on a fundamental level.

My plane point still remains the same though I was fuzzy on the initial details. Him opting to stay shows growth and a sign of maturing. I also don't see them eventually leaving one day as running away anymore. By opting to stay for the time being they are tackling current problems. Leaving in the future they really wouldn't have anything to "run" from… except maybe a distaste for Mora lol.

And like I said previously, if he was poorly written, Miles wouldn't be eliciting such a strong emotional response from ya. Feel free to hate him, not saying ya can't or even that you're not supposed to. But if he was poorly written he'd be bland and uninteresting. You wouldn't have much of a strong emotional response at all.

In terms of Learning Curves and Hope and all that, that was actually probably my favorite series of the bunch so far. And as far as Soulkat is concerned, I'm not opening that potential can of worms. I don't know him, never have, odds are never will and I will reserve judgement should I ever get the chance to meet him.

In any case, continue to dislike whatcha don't like. It's a shame you once enjoyed the series, but no longer really do. At least I try to offer helpful advice when I critique in the off hope of helping the series in the future so I can return to enjoying it. These are all just my opinions though. Should you actually find yourself with a spreadsheet of facts backed by your peers feel free to post it and I'll honestly give it a look, otherwise think I'm done discussing Miles for the time being ;) G'day o/

ID: f30eb  No.12251

>>12245
Ahhk, makes sense. If I might ask and if you happen to know, When is this taking place in terms a timeline so to speak in comparison to Las Lindas? I'm assuming alongside due to Hope's story with Miles and her being an older sister to Joy.
>>12249
I don't think that many people find it detestable tbh. There are a couple loud ones who frequent here. I've no idea why they don't move on, maybe they find it fun to get worked up? Like the people who will play a FPS and spit and curse at it then turn around and say "Oh yea it's a good game I love such and such" I know some people IRL like that :P One of them does sound like they have a personal vendetta tho >_> I'm not even going to pretend to know why.

I enjoy most things from Chalo and his writers and only rly critical of very recent events in knighthood. It's too late to change what's happening now, but maybe some feedback will trickle through and things will improve in the future :) I mean probably not, but I can dream XD In terms of the art, I love Chalo's art, but there has yet to be a story I honestly find terrible. Some are better than others sure, but none so far have honestly been what I would call bad :P

ID: 1ad98  No.12252

>>12250
>I don't see her being super lovey-dovey ever. She's just not the type and hasn't illustrated that to my eyes.

See: the "We're dating" page, and the one a bit later where they try to really SHOVE how cute and perfect they want us to think the two are together with Mora serving as some kind of stand-in for everyone who reacted poorly to the other example. Maybe that was the wrong choice of wording, but it's still a stark-ass contrast to the examples of conflicting behaviour, or her behaviour previous to the page where they got shoved together.

>In terms of allowing him to dictate anything, I also don't see that.


"We're dating."
"Alright."
*smooch*

Right after several pages of explaining that she's not into him and why they shouldn't be together even if she were.

>If that were true she wouldn't have ribbed him for his provocative poster etc. Healthy couples do this to one another all the time btw, it's not really proof of her absolutely rejecting him on a fundamental level.


Yeah, I keep seeing this excuse from the remaining huge shippers of this pairing, and no, that's not flying. She's all but reinforcing what we already knew, that he's not the kind of guy she's into and they're only together thanks to forced, contrived writing that even people who wanted them together hated. Which Chalo later made worse, btw, by trying to justify it with some shit about them having a natural need for each other due to being the same species and having a total inability to be happy with anyone else regardless of compatibility.

>Him opting to stay shows growth and a sign of maturing.


And we've yet to see proof of that sticking. Just like every other moment like it.

>if he was poorly written, Miles wouldn't be eliciting such a strong emotional response from ya.


Poorly written characters can still elicit strong responses through how shitty they are.

>In terms of Learning Curves and Hope and all that, that was actually probably my favorite series of the bunch so far.


That doesn't address the issue I brought up. And frankly, I don't feel LC was even that great, it was actually kinda depressing cause we already know that not one couple in it remains together after when it takes place. Not helping is that it presented the same immature view of same-sex relationships as Tootsie had put on her for a long time (the notion that "straight girls making an exception and quietly wishing the other girl was a man" exist).

>And as far as Soulkat is concerned, I'm not opening that potential can of worms. I don't know him, never have, odds are never will and I will reserve judgement should I ever get the chance to meet him.


Well, you see, that was something he literally said on the forum once. Along with claiming that Davin getting to bang three girls he has no real attachment to and two of whom don't even like him is more realistic and less wish fulfillment-esque than having him be dating three girls.

ID: 1ad98  No.12255

>>12251
Chalo once said it's taking place "during Las Lindas", but given he said that years ago, who knows WHEN "during Las Lindas" it is. I don't think we've been given any indication of how much younger Joy is than Hope, which would help out a lot because two years passed between LC's events and the start of LL, about 1 3/4 years have passed in-universe since LL began–all we really know is Joy's 17.

ID: 77eba  No.12256

I feel like anyone still hanging on to years old forum knowledge needs to just let that go.

It's been obvious by now that chalo constantly changes stuff so going " BUT THE FORUM!" when the thread itself hasnt been referenced for years and isnt even there any more, just seems like an extra headache you would give yourself for no reason.

As for following the comic myself. Even if there are some narrative ideas that arent executed well, there hasn't been anything to make me hate the comic.

Even some of the critique here ain't so bad. Honestly I'm more annoyed at the posters who try to find a problem and nitpick not just comic stuff but every little thing chalo does. Things like that debate over Mora's abs some posts above were just dumb and I'm hoping the thread doesn't go that route again with Mora's age.

ID: 1ad98  No.12258

>>12256
He really should stop aging Mora up more and more though, pretty soon she's gonna be older than Randal.

Also the only reference to the forum was about something SK said, not one of the many indicators that they write this comic on the fly, so…

ID: 4496f  No.12259

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ID: 3c215  No.12260

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ID: f30eb  No.12263

>>12239
>SoulKat is a person with a frightening mindset

Can we leave personal attacks out on individuals writing a FICTIONAL piece of work? Srsly this is coming across as a personal vendetta against some of these people. Also just adding the word "we" a lot doesn't mean you actually speak for a lot of people. From the looks of it not that many people actually hate Miles or anything that strongly for that matter. You are sadly not the voice of the people on this

ID: 1ad98  No.12264

>>12263
Again, HE LITERALLY SAID THAT. He's said an awful lot of off-putting and very telling shit, and that one in particular honestly makes the connection between him and Miles all the clearer. And yeah, sorry, but Miles is not as popular a character as you seem to believe he is.

Also, here's the ONE instance of me using "we" in that post:

>we saw Hope reward him with sex after he ruined their date


We, the audience, did in fact see that happen, so…

>>12259
I love how he acknowledges that he misdrew Miles too big there but does nothing to correct it.

ID: 0f545  No.12265

>>12263


I spent many years in the Katbox forum. Soulkat is a mini tyrant with an enormous ego. If things don't go his way he will find a way to force people do what he wants.

ID: 04b34  No.12266

>>12264
Please, somebody just please ban him, I'm so fucking sick of his shit, it's so tiring.

ID: f30eb  No.12267

>>12264
>>12252
>She's all but reinforcing what we already knew
>And we've yet to see proof of that sticking
>We, the audience, did in fact see that happen, so…

It's not just there. It's speckled throughout all your writing and despite being anon, can pretty much tell it's from the same person. You make these assumptions based upon your own feelings and because you feel that way, everyone else must too. You seem to forget you have people disagreeing with you, otherwise you wouldn't be having these conversations.

>HE LITERALLY SAID THAT

He also probably didn't LITERALLY SAY he had a frightening mindset. You said that. And last I checked he's not here with a perpetual hate boner for a character because they touched your waifu.

>Miles is not as popular a character as you seem to believe he is.


Where on earth did I say he's popular? I said it doesn't appear as hated as you think he is. NONE of the series or cast are as hated as you think they "rightfully" are. Let others speak for themselves if you're so convinced these tons of people hiding in the wood work all hate these things the same way you do. Pretty sure these works would be dead in the water if they were that loathed.

>>12265
I'm not claiming to know the guy. Nor am I defending his character if he was/is a jerk. I'm just asking attacks of that nature be left out unless the person is here to defend their actions. He shows up, have it at it. I thought he left long ago anyway

ID: f30eb  No.12268

>>12266
Agreed. If not for our sake then for his own well being. That is one unhealthy obsession.

ID: f30eb  No.12269

>>12264
We, the audience all see the same event, but each person internalizes and interprets it in a different way. Food for thought.

>I love how he acknowledges that he misdrew Miles too big there but does nothing to correct it.


It's a funny little snippet, but it has no real impact on the overarching plot so not a big deal.

ID: 1ad98  No.12270

>>12267
>It's speckled throughout all your writing and despite being anon, can pretty much tell it's from the same person.

Congratulations, you know how to spot an ID and know that you have in fact been holding a conversation with one person. Also, the instances of "we" there are in fact used in statements applicable to everyone.

>You make these assumptions based upon your own feelings and because you feel that way, everyone else must too.


No, see, people have indeed voiced their dislike of this character, plenty, and it's especially hard to miss whenever they get lectured or shouted at by his fans.

>You seem to forget you have people disagreeing with you


I haven't forgotten that at all, but go off I guess.

>He also probably didn't LITERALLY SAY he had a frightening mindset. You said that.


Sorry for calling it what it is.

>And last I checked he's not here with a perpetual hate boner for a character because they touched your waifu.


So you're actually under the impression that the only reason someone could hate this character is because of some "waifu pureness" mentality, that's fucking golden. Nevermind the fact that people who DON'T like Rachael can't stand him either. Look, I get it, you think they're a cute and perfect couple and their pairing played out totally naturally and shit, but Christ.

>NONE of the series or cast are as hated as you think they "rightfully" are.


When did I say anything about them being rightfully hated? Quit putting words in my mouth cause you're retroactively getting pissed off about my post.

>I thought he left long ago anyway


Oh no, it turns out he is indeed still the writer, despite claiming to have left and people being led to think the "We're dating" shitshow was his grand finale.

ID: 04b34  No.12271

>>12270
>Oh no, it turns out he is indeed still the writer, despite claiming to have left and people being led to think the "We're dating" shitshow was his grand finale.

Dude……stop it.

You need help, that is fucking crazy talk.

You have an unhealthy obsession with this comic that's one the levels of an meth addict.

Just…….stop.

ID: 1ad98  No.12272

>>12271
Except it isn't, because this has literally been confirmed by people who are closer to Chalo and frequent his streams and shit. What, did you think Chalo was actually doing it all alone now?

ID: 04b34  No.12273

>>12272
……You're hopeless.

Just stop.

ID: 1ad98  No.12274

>>12273
Mhmm. Yeah, hopeless because I acknowledge that Chalo isn't doing it all by himself.

Alrighty.

ID: f1292  No.12277

>>12271

If the comic's the meth to the anons, you and your admin bretheren are the enablers to said addiction, constantly egging them on to respond just to get your jollies off to their opposition.

Christ almighty, even the u18 thread mellowed out more than this thread, and that was the primordial ooze that this thread spawned from in a way. Much like DA artists, that much has stayed consistent around here for years on end without change.

But go ahead and downplay my response with some snarky retort or superiority-complex ridden diatribe, you'll just be proving me right regardless of what ego-infested quip you come up with this time.

ID: f30eb  No.12278

>>12270
You just don't seem to get it. The issue at this point isn't even the like or dislike of a character. You seem hell bent on telling everyone else their opinion is wrong when it's just that, an opinion.

People then try to ask you for positive input. Something to go along with your critiques to fix something you deem as terrible. Butcha don't. That'd be too much work. Not that you'd even have the remotest idea of how to fix or write a competent narrative. Go ahead. Prove me wrong on this one. If the problems are so glaringly obvious to you the solutions should be as well.

In terms of your claims on Soulkat. Proof. Screenshot, written conformation, something. Otherwise I'll be completely honest on this one, you sound like a flat-earther

ID: 1ad98  No.12284

>>12278
Well, let's see, one way to fix things would be to not have your characters' personalities change at the drop of a hat. Don't have a character act a certain way for hundreds of pages, sweep it all under the rug, have them contradict their previous behaviour with no actual buildup or proper character development (and in some cases even actively devolving), and go "No, you just don't understand this character!" Consistency in general is not a polite suggestion, in fact, and the amount of inconsistencies, retcons and moments where the writers just forgot their own lore are too numerous in this comic to even list. And on top of this, have characters RETAIN what they learn. Don't have Miles have a big epiphany about what a dick he is, only to proudly announce that he'll never change and it's the world that should change for him. Don't have Mora constantly take a step back as a character every time she takes one forward to the point where she needs the farm's bankruptcy explained slowly to her and doesn't seem to give a shit about it until the last minute but we're still supposed to think she has great business sense. Don't have Sarah's maturity increase only to end up making her more and more childish afterwards until finally she doesn't recognize kissing when she sees it and says things like "boys are gross".

Another would be to actually learn how women and relationships work instead of taking everything you know from anime and porn, so your romances aren't written like a 14-year-old would write them. Don't constantly send the unhealthy message that if you're in a relationship, you need to start having sex ASAP because if you don't, you won't feel truly fulfilled or it somehow makes your love less genuine. Maybe avoid having a character win someone over after doing nothing to earn it, a character having their personality changed and/or their standards suddenly lowered to better fit the relationship they've been put into, characters suddenly being together because why not, characters rushing a relationship along and acting like they've been together far longer than they have been, etc. Also maybe take less advice from horny fans who'll literally start demanding two characters end up fucking because it turns out they use the same brand of shampoo. In fact, that leads into the general tip of "Don't write your story as you go, especially if that involves taking fans' theories and wishes, making them canon and watching them marvel as they're led to believe it was planned that way for years."

Here's a really simple one too: Don't portray characters acting like total morons in the face of something with a simple solution as if they're being smart about it. Best and most specific example, Mora throughout the current arc. Even her fans have said she's being an idiot by refusing to tell Taffy and Randal about the farm being in danger of going under, taking out loans she knows she can't pay back, etc. It feels like in Final Fantasy 13, when the main characters keep playing right into the villain's plans, knowingly doing everything he needs them to do for him to succeed, and yet they think they're foiling his plans.

As far as Miles in particular goes? Maybe just not having him start being such an arrogant creep in the first place would've been a great long-term plan. Remember how he was really early on? How he was kind of a jerk, a bit perverted, but bearable and even easy to feel sorry for at times? He seemed like he wanted a relationship for more than just sexual gratification? Yeah, that hasn't been him for a long, long time. A smart move would've been to keep and develop THAT Miles, instead of introducing the selfish douchebag "Nice Guy" Miles who's long been a sexual assault lawsuit waiting to happen, and then intending him to be the male audience identification character. Of course, another thing that would've helped is if his origin wasn't, y'know, literally being SK's self-insert.

Just a little sampler for you.

ID: e426d  No.12285

Las Lindas has its laundry list of problems, but I think alot of the vitriol from some of the more.. 'rabid' fans comes from possibly the failure of completing the arcs for certain characters.

Namely Miles had alot of potential but it was wasted/avoided or otherwise glazed over because the conflict of him becoming a better person wasn't super interesting to LL's creators.

I think the worst/most blatant wish-fulfillment with Miles came with Geecku. It wasn't just that a sexy woman was trying to seduce him, but she had to give him a public BJ, whisk him away from his room then have sex all night *into the next day* until he literally runs out of steam from exhaustion. Only to later confess his feelings for Rachael and begin dating all within around a 24 hour period.

It's like, he couldn't just get Rachael but had to be sexed to exhaustion and confess it too. It was so over the top.

Miles and Mora are also very similar (strikingly so) but unfortunately too easily get what they want without really ever 'earning' anything. It makes it frustrating to read - but many of the characters also have this problem albeit with less abrasive personalities.


Im not honestly sure why people don't talk about how disappointing Rachael's arc is either. Besides being a criminal/kidnapper and generally kind of unpleasant to other people at the farm, she sort of 'fails' in her mission to get Sarah out of the farm. She goes from being sort of badass with her saving of Digit to complaisant and begrudgingly accepting of Mora's rule. As a sort of 'rival' she doesn't really do anything spectacular or awe-worthy besides sometimes smart mouth Mora (which is usually shot down). The power dynamic isn't exactly even between the two and we never get this rebellious tomboy badass just a mundane maintenance-worker of sorts.

Besides, she gets overshadowed as Alejandra as the sort of antagonist for much of the comic - who is the only one on par with Mora in terms of power/rule of the farm. Its not like we are gonna see Rach with a nano-spirit thingy of her own.

ID: 1ad98  No.12286

>>12285
A big problem with Miles AND one of the biggest reasons why his sex-fest/confession arc sucked was honestly really nicely summed up by a post Sechs made back when the shit-ass "We're dating" page was new.

>The inability of Miles to change is not rooted in a belief that people can't change, it's rooted in the fact that Miles is the self-insert for an arrogant, selfish, condescending jerk and thus his chances of ever ceasing to be an arrogant, selfish, condescending jerk are extremely small.


>Basically for Miles to change, SoulKat would have to change, and according to most of what I've heard and seen over the years that is ridiculously unlikely.


>That's why this bad writing decision is so much more infuriating than all the bad writing decisions that came before it. All of those could have at least had some justifications, amounted to something, but this is so blatantly, transparently warping one character's personality and established characterization to please the whims of one writer who's injected himself into the beneficiary of this behavior that it's not really defensible in any other way than giving SoulKat emotional masturbation material.



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