ID: 13989 No.6343
Geecku going full rapeface.
ID: 3b0e0 No.6345
Holy hell, when did Sarah's tits get replaced by Mora's?
ID: 41d8f No.6350
What artist is this? Them hips are to die for.
ID: 0450b No.6352
The artist is Jinti. They are on deviantART, Tumblr, and Weasyl.
ID: 78f91 No.6358
Ooh, Damn. That pic is sexy times three!
ID: 3b0e0 No.6387
Wow, forget Sarah up there, when did HER tits become so big?
I'm starting to think maybe Phi's inspiration wasn't Fluttershy after all.
ID: 13989 No.6395
Phi's always had a chest. I think it was because Chalo was trying to stress that just because they're physically small and lack experience that doesn't mean the Spirits are literally children.
ID: 1ff67 No.6398
Some people don't realize that Spirits are artificial lifeforms whose personalities mirror the ones they are bonded with and they have to learn in a similar way…If only some people would remember this.
ID: 434e5 No.6404
No one's forgotten that, but are you really implying that personality somehow explains a character who's for all intents and purposes a child looking like that?
ID: 4963e No.6405
Somebody needs to google "Shortstacks"
ID: 13989 No.6406
Again. Not a child.
ID: 434e5 No.6407
So you're really trying to say Digit and Phi were not meant to be seen as anything less than very short adults this whole time?
ID: 1cafe No.6408
I'm saying that she isn't either one? I mean, look at dem titties. She's not a little kid. But she's not really biologically anything. You're just reaching for something to hate.
ID: 434e5 No.6409
Except I'm not hating at all.
ID: d8c86 No.6410
then proceed to not use such an thinking pattern again…
ID: a6b1d No.6412
So are you trying to imply that being short and looking somewhat young automatically means that someone is a child?
Or are you trying to imply that these artificial intelligence systems have ages and maturity that roughly equate to that of a human?
ID: 2ae30 No.6422
There's a second page to this. Sweet sweet DP. <3
ID: 0450b No.6436
Pretty hot stuff.
I'm surprised Chalo asked to have Hope drawn, since I thought her and Joy belonged to one of his writers.
ID: 07d96 No.6438
He didn't. Chalo's commission pic is >>6434
and he had Sarah, Alej, and Taffy added today.
The one with Ann, Angel, and Hope was commissioned by someone else in the same stream. Chalo gave the OK for it since IIRC, they're basically chalo's because he's the artist for LL
ID: 64b87 No.6439
all characters drawn in Las Lindas and its spin offs belong to Chalo.
ID: 293e0 No.6440
Pretty much. When I left I gave up all rights to Davin, Tiare, etc.
The only one I took with me was Nina, my blue cat.
ID: 74697 No.6441
>>6435>Porn of these girls without miles or Davin.
ID: 4f2af No.6442
>>6435>tfw these characters are so generic, they are hardly recognizable if they're not drawn by Chalo.
Thank Angel for having tatoos I guess
ID: 0450b No.6443
You can speak for yourself, but I thought they all were pretty familiar.
Angel's a given with the 'tattoos', but Ann was fairly familiar with the hairstyle and cowboy hat. Hope was also pretty familiar 'cause of the hairstyle and the small horns.
ID: 3b0e0 No.6444
Does that mean she isn't making any further appearances in LL stuff?>>6399>>6434
Let's all just appreciate the fact that Chalo's original idea for this was apparently to please everyone and have just Mora and Rachael sharing Minos.
And then he decided to please everyone even more.
ID: 74697 No.6446
They're pretty recognizable. Ann constantly wears her hat and hope has small horns
ID: d8c86 No.6447
Well thats the thing, if a person doesnt read Las Lindas or anything related to it, they just seem generic characters belonging to a person.
we tend to either recognize a character base on certain visuals, certain quirks, or how they act. This is RARELY lead to a person thinking a drawing is of their character but no…its of someone else.
they do have some recognizable traits to identify em to Las Lindas characters though.
ID: 2652b No.6448
>not making appearances
That's probably correct unless they want to use her for an occasional one-shot cameo or something.
ID: 13989 No.6450
>>6447>If you haven't seen the comic they're from, you wouldn't know they're from a comic!
Brilliant observation, Holmes.
ID: 1ac1f No.6451
What he wanted to say I think is that if you didn't read las lindas you could think these girls are just throwaway characters for porn because save for a few gimmics (tatoos, cowoby hat) they are just generic furry girls.
It isn't the case with all LL's characters though, Mora and Alej are pretty unique for ex
ID: 64b87 No.6453
You gotta love how condesending some people can sound."Generic characters for porn"? By that (stupid as fuck, btw) logic every furry character that is not a neon sparkledog is "generic".
ID: 1ac1f No.6454
>>6453> By that (stupid as fuck, btw) logic every furry character that is not a neon sparkledog is "generic".
The Uberquest characters are pretty iconic and recognizable without being donut steel OC for ex. You gotta find creative hairstyles, various body types, etc.
Pic related, from a video game full of furries (inb4 they're professional)
ID: 016df No.6458
>Uberquest characters>iconic and recognizable
Not sure if you're trolling or just too fucking retarded. They look like generic run-of-the-mill designs.
ID: 1ac1f No.6459
>>6458>They look like generic run-of-the-mill designs.
Yeah, hat's why you can tell in a instant who they are even if you remove the colors/clothes or draw them in a minimalistic style.
In the meantime…
ID: e9c59 No.6460
How did this argument come from 3 anthro girls getting jizzed on?
ID: 3b0e0 No.6461
Oh hey, it's the inevitable "UberQuest is shit" guy. Hello again.>>6459
Well, going by the facial markings, I'd say it's Ann.
ID: 07d96 No.6469
You can tell that it's Ann just based on the facial markings and the chest size.
That wasn't really a good example.
ID: d8c86 No.6473
I was mostly just talking about character traits and things we use to identify characters specially in the furry fandom.
but my friend is right on a thing
"Its porn, all characters tend to just meld away and be same like unless their traits contribute to what kind of porn they tend to show up in…also its porn stop being serious"
ID: f57c5 No.6506
None of this matters. Nothing really matters. Stop acting like this comic gave your favorite grandparent a brain tumor.
Just let me like the thing…
ID: 097ad No.6507
What are you taking about?
ID: 6a518 No.6508
>STOP NOT LIKING WHAT I LIKE!
ID: 13989 No.6509
Don't like whatever you want, just don't feel obligated to constantly inform all of us that you don't like it, because I assure you that by now we 1) understand that you don't and 2) don't care that you don't (other than that you're being annoying about it).
If you absolutely have to bitch about how much you hate Las Lindas every time there's a new strip or a bit of art or whatever, start up an autistic youtube channel with a persona and storyline like all the other worthless spergs.
ID: 3b0e0 No.6514
Now if only the artist could decide what size they're even supposed to be.
ID: f2466 No.6518
They're getting bigger. That's all that matters.
Slowly moving up that bust chart.
ID: 3b0e0 No.6520
Honestly they kinda yo-yo between no different than normal, a bit larger and ridiculous.
ID: cebd0 No.6521
Looks like Miles has got some tiny balls there.
ID: 1cc33 No.6522
Hey, anyone willing to edit Miles from the recent Geecku x Miles pic into Randal instead? I hate Miles' face, makes the pic unfappable
ID: b4aa1 No.6523
wow seriously? I'll never understand why you guys carry such a hate boner for miles. You go kitty! Plow that waifu.
ID: 3b0e0 No.6524
Gee, I dunno, maybe cause he's such a shitty character?
ID: 90fae No.6525
And he has wide, feminine hips. I also like his expression, it's like even orgasming is too much of an effort for him.
ID: a6b1d No.6531
Aw, poor Miles. Is pleasing a lover really
that hard? :D
ID: 025f9 No.6533
I dunno man, why don't you ask your left hand?
ID: 087f8 No.6535
Never had any partner complain about it. Why?
ID: 1ff67 No.6537
If they could I would doubt they'd be here hoping against hope that their "criticism" would be taken seriously or commenting on how "sensitive" everyone is. I'd try it but I do my own stuff and I find it hard to get a similar level of attention with written words than what the painted picture receives…but hey this will probably the only time I rabbit on about that. Still doesn't stop you from trying. =D
ID: 3b0e0 No.6538
Actually, numerous people have shown how they'd write it better. And even if they can't personally, guess what? You don't need to be a world-class chef to know when the food is bad.
ID: 025f9 No.6543
well that is easy for you, hands dont talk back…
ID: 1ff67 No.6545
>>6538>You don't need to be a world-class chef to know when the food is bad.
Well yeah…but what's the point in repeatedly telling the chef they are doing it wrong when you can go find a better place to eat?
ID: 1cafe No.6546
>>6538>You don't need to be a world-class chef to know when the food is bad.
But a world class chef can actually tell you what's wrong with the food
ID: d8c86 No.6551
True, but it sorta gets messy after a while when we enter the realm of "Different taste" like at my job while all of us cook…we all have specialties with mines being desserts
ID: 5ec95 No.6553
Yes Miles. Talk! Talk like your Michael Thorton with all your abilities on cooldown!
ID: 3b0e0 No.6554
Oh, please let this be a dealie where she has to kill him if she tells him.
ID: 1ff67 No.6555
"Hey Geecku. Tell me your life story while I find my pants and find a way to escape."
That's the way a one night stand goes isn't it? =P
ID: 9e2e6 No.6559
No Miles, talking comes after you've both
ID: 13989 No.6583
Fetish fuel? On the sexy-times naughty tumblr?
But that don't make no sense!
ID: 3b0e0 No.6584
Yes, body type-swapping leading to a personality and lifestyle change is clearly fetish fuel too weird for the non-canon porn blog, totally unlike Rachael swapping tits with Mora, becoming super arrogant and show-offy because of them while Mora takes up Rach's usual activities, and discovering she needs to milk herself and that's why they keep growing.
ID: 4d986 No.6585
Busta rachael pretty much wore out its welcome, though. Another arc with it wouldn't have the same impact
ID: 90fae No.6590
It was better than her role in the comic, also fit AND busty is a killer, if unrealistic, combination.
ID: 3b0e0 No.6593
I actually kinda wonder, think Miles won't actually believe any of this and he'll laugh it off and remain none the wiser?
ID: 1b040 No.6595
I may be reading too much into this but is Geecku fibbing? Because she said golden spaceship when it clearly isn't that color.
'Course, she could just be exagerrating for show too.
ID: 1ff67 No.6596
Yeah when you look at who is telling the story it would only make sense for Geecku to embellish it a lot to make it sound less boring to tell. XD
ID: 13989 No.6598
Well the ring in back does seem to be golden. And maybe Geecku's just using "golden" as a standin for "shiny".
ID: 1ff67 No.6677
I am happy with this =3
ID: 1cc33 No.6728
Is that Sarah sex comic finished yet?
ID: 98fd3 No.6731
You overshot, it's the next one over.
ID: 1ff67 No.6732
I'm like that in Stellaris, enter a galaxy to look for a habitable planet only to realize its the next one over.
ID: 13989 No.6778
No aroo, 350 orgasm fine.
ID: 1ff67 No.6799
The World is not enough…
ID: 13989 No.6873
>>6870>Minos getting tongue-fucked in the throat
ID: cb9f9 No.6878
First, Chalo, decide on a tit size for her already.
Just when you thought she couldn't be any more of a disturbing womanchild.
ID: 48c16 No.6879
maybe is a subtle hint of a posible lesbian Sarah
ID: 974ee No.6880
She's not wrong though.
We fart and poop and shit.
ID: cb9f9 No.6882
Or maybe Chalo just tried a bit too hard to play up Sarah's increasingly unnerving childishness.
That and you're way too hopeful.
ID: 49310 No.6886
Can someone post the sarah sex comic WIP? the loss of all of u18chan's stuff was a heartbreak im still not completely over
ID: 974ee No.6904
Anyone know if that's gonna be the new norm or if it was a one time thing?
ID: 07d96 No.6905
It'll be like that for a while. Chalo kinda struggles with OCs and he's gotten some that end up causing him to take a while, meaning less pics.
So as a trade off of no OCs, the requests can be porny
ID: 48c16 No.6908
I loved how a couple fuckwads got their panties in a bunch. Specially that dude with his "My bro is a marine serving against terrorists and his greatests dream was to have his OC drawn by Chalo, but NOW I CAN'T GET IT FOR HIM WHY DO YOU HATE OUR TROOPS".
ID: 974ee No.6909
That's…really dumb…for many reasons.
One being Chalo isn't even from the U.S.
ID: 1cc33 No.6919
Can Someone color that beautiful pic? >>6916
ID: 1cc33 No.7016
Bumping for this again, my cock needs it. Also requesting nude edit of the new Angel pic
ID: ed0ba No.7017
>>7016>my cock needs it
Was that really necessary?
ID: 1cc33 No.7019
Thanks for the support <3
ID: 18cea No.7034
Virgin virgin virgin, virgin virgin virgin virgin. Virgin virgin virgin? Virgin virgin, virgin virgin virgin.
Nah, but as "nice a sentiment" as that is, I bet that in order to say something like that Sarah needs to either have a disorder or to not even have tried masturbating.
ID: ef75e No.7035
Sarah, honey, you're in Las Lindas. Drama and stuff is inevitable no matter what the scenario.
ID: 0450b No.7039
Assuming this is canon and Minos did hook up with Geecku, in the past, that makes Miles and Minos two-time eskimo bros. First, Mora, and now Geecku.
ID: 26f44 No.7042
It isn't two timing cuz he hadn't met mora yet and I doubt Minos and Geeku actually had a real relationship. We all know she only cares about the sex.
ID: 07d96 No.7043
He didn't mean two timing in that sense.
He meant that this is the second time Minos and Miles have both banged the same woman.
ID: 992b5 No.7044
Don't suppose anyone caught Chalo's stream last night? Apparently there were lewds, maybe even one of Taffy. Pity he didn't save the recording.
ID: c950b No.7045
Ugh of course I miss the stream where lewd stuff was done and there was no recording. Anyone have any screen caps?
ID: 992b5 No.7048
Good job, cheers! May not be naughty but it's better than nothing!
ID: 5de5b No.7049
Seems like he's inking this while another user is coloring the previous Pizza Boy sex picture (as of right now).
Another multistream, so here's to hoping more of you are vigilant if there's no recording again and something else pops up.
ID: ef75e No.7063
Either that's one very small dude or Tila has shot up a couple more feet.
ID: c762b No.7077
Uhh… he kinda forgot to color Mora's hands and forearms on this one
ID: 6e31f No.7078
yeah that was my bad I gave the wrong file this is the final one.
sorry about that
ID: 53bfe No.7080
Mora isn't cum covered in the final scene, can someone fix that?
ID: 6e31f No.7097
Just because I know.. the guy is miles… yep
ID: 1b037 No.7102
Had the same thought. "That better not be miles x Rach." I choose to believe ins Randal and a rando kitty
ID: ef75e No.7103
That's pretty obviously not Rachael.
ID: cab9e No.7107
That's Mirasuke. She likes Miles.
ID: 53271 No.7108
Dog Taffy? or a Cocoa-Taffy fussion?
ID: 0450b No.7109
I'm pretty sure that's a drawing of Maty/MatyPup's character.
She's a friend of Chalo's.
ID: a9136 No.7129
Do you have a source/artist's name for these two pictures?
ID: 13989 No.7131
This story segment is painful.
ID: 07e37 No.7132
>>7128>"Everyone knew Ambar was hundreds of years old and she's connected to our race's origins!"
Uh… No they didn't! Where was this EVER remotely hinted at before now?
Christ, this shit is cringetacular enough without massive continuity fuckups. This whole arc is turning more and more into one humongous "Miles is super special" gratification fest.
ID: 07e37 No.7134
You act like hating Miles and cringey gratification of him is unwelcome here.
ID: d4679 No.7136
I'd rather save the miles hate for when he actually does something Hate-able. the past few pages have just been him reacting to geecku's story, which would raise questions for anyone who isn't a crest.
Geecku telling him all this doesn't make him special because there's nothing that says she wouldn't have blabbed about it to anyone else on the farm who would have asked. he just happened to do it first
ID: 07e37 No.7137
Yeah, it JUST SO HAPPENED to be the creator's pet who got to learn all this stuff before everyone else and now bears a crucial role in the "plot".
Sidenote, I find it hilarious that some people in the fandom have so easily forgotten that we were already outright told the princess is Kate.
ID: 98fd3 No.7138
OR you explain stuff to the dumbest character because he can ask the dumb questions so the audience doesn't have to.
ID: 07e37 No.7139
Right, you go on ahead and think that if it makes you feel better about this writing.
ID: a13c1 No.7140
I feel like there's some irony here
ID: 98fd3 No.7145
But…that is good writing. It's called a "fish out of water". Every story and writer does it for good reason. Since, otherwise you're just saying a bunch of things that your audience has no idea about like they're supposed to know. You put a dumb or out of place person in your story to have the basics of the world explained to them, so the reader or viewer knows.
If she ran off with, I don't know, Minos. Minos already knows this so if the two of them started talking about things that they both already know it would be 1)weird that they would just be explaining things they both already know and 2)we still wouldn't understand the basics of what was going on.
This is fantasy/sci-fi writing 101.
ID: 539df No.7146
But incidentally we DO all know all of this, all they did was give the audience who you claim knows none of this a recap of info we've been aware of for years. :/
ID: 98fd3 No.7147
We know this through supplemental materials that not everyone has read. It's never been discussed in the main comic.
ID: 13989 No.7148
That has been one of the criticisms I've made of the series before, that way too much is said on the forums or whatnot as opposed to being revealed organically in the story.
I'm not sure how organic "the ditzy sex-lizard giving an infodump" is but.
ID: 539df No.7149
I've not once read any of the forum material myself, I hear about it from people that have and just general word of mouth. By now most of it's such common knowledge that doing so is just kinda redundant. :P
That said I'd rather agree to disagree here, I'm not a fan of just how much is wrong with the writingoverall, plot holes, retcons and continuity errors from every orifice, but what's me going into a tirade about it going to solve?
Lord knows plenty of others have beat me to the punch, so if you like the story then that's fine, me I just don't so much. Besides why is it such a tragedy anyhow like people are making it out to be? Most of the characters are popular for porn and that's about it, that's the biggest demand for them, let's be brutally honest here. XD
ID: f554a No.7158
Honestly not a fan of Minos & Mora's relationship. It's so shallow that I have a hard time believing that they care about each other in any significant way.
At least the porn is nice.
ID: 98fd3 No.7160
I respectfully disagree. It's a good match without too much drama. What's wrong with that?
ID: 07e37 No.7164
This. Seriously, they're basically only still together cause Chalo personally wants them to never break up.
That and the constant sex.
ID: 15c44 No.7169
I will respectfully disagree as well.
If they had some sort of connection other than sexy bodies I would agree that they're a nice match.
Unfortunately it feels like that's all there is, and there's plenty of drama between the two of them as well.
- When Minos tried to get a hobby Mora made fun of him. He wound up flirting with Rachael which led to her and Mora punching it out. When they sat down to talk about it Minos instead wound up acting like he'd been the one in the wrong for straying. Not because Mora being unsupportive rightfully made him alienated. I don't recall is they actually resolved this issue between the two of them. If they have I don't remember it.
- Not to seem like I'm one of those dorks that always go on like Mora is an eternal undying bitch. Minos has been keeping secrets and hiding things from Mora from the start. At first it's reasonable but after the amount of time they've been together it seems like this is something he should be easing her into. Not only that but when confronted with evidence of his past he will lie to Mora's face about it, regardless of how flimsy the lie is. This rightly made Mora upset, but it seems like they let things go again without actually dealing with the issue.
ID: f2466 No.7170
Hey, remember how Mora has slept with half the males in this comic, used to be a prostitute, and yet when she finds out that Mino and Geecku had sex before Mora and Minos ever met, she got pissed off at him and made him sleep on the couch?
Honestly, the only thing worth "reading" about this series is the fan service and porn. Thankfully the artist realizes this.
Now if only he could update more consistently…
ID: fcbfd No.7171
we already went over that. it was the breaking point of the situation because minos gave a very important job to Miles of all people and fucked off without telling Mora. Then geecku came in, busted up parts of her house and minos tried to lie about it by calling her his cousin.
ID: 07e37 No.7175
Come to think of it, has Minos EVER been seen trying out art or any hobby at all since then? Or is Mora making sure he's really nothing more than a living combination tractor/sex toy like his dialogue, interactions with her and general decreased intellect suggest?
ID: 2d356 No.7176
I'm pretty sure that Mora used her evil slut magics have drained any sense from the noble strong male
What do you expwlect from a litteral former prostitute?
Seriously, dude? Do you listen to yourself?
ID: 07d96 No.7177
- When Minos tried to get a hobby Mora made fun of him. He wound up flirting with Rachael which led to her and Mora punching it out. When they sat down to talk about it Minos instead wound up acting like he'd been the one in the wrong for straying. Not because Mora being unsupportive rightfully made him alienated. I don't recall is they actually resolved this issue between the two of them. If they have I don't remember it.http://laslindas.katbox.net/comic/we-need-to-talk/
and pic related
- Not to seem like I'm one of those dorks that always go on like Mora is an eternal undying bitch. Minos has been keeping secrets and hiding things from Mora from the start. At first it's reasonable but after the amount of time they've been together it seems like this is something he should be easing her into. Not only that but when confronted with evidence of his past he will lie to Mora's face about it, regardless of how flimsy the lie is. This rightly made Mora upset, but it seems like they let things go again without actually dealing with the issue.http://laslindas.katbox.net/comic/just-not-that/http://laslindas.katbox.net/comic/baggage/
The problem is that they're packing huge secrets. Minos is basically a demi-god with connections to Ambar going hundreds of years back. Mora spent time on the road as a prostitute and has a Narakhan for a father, which is supposed to be something hated by primes. She barely wanted to tell Alej and Randal before they had to drag it out of her.
ID: 07e37 No.7178
I never said Mora made him dumber, dumbass. The writers did. SK once even explicitly mentioned they aimed to make Minos less bright to avoid making him seem too perfect or some shit.
ID: 1a82f No.7179
you never mentioned anything about the writers. and saying things like
> Or is Mora making sure he's really nothing more than a living combination tractor/sex toy like his dialogue, interactions with her and general decreased intellect suggest?
doesn't help your case at all unless one of the writers changed their name to Mora
ID: 07e37 No.7180
Implying Mora is keeping him on a leash and he's somehow totally okay with it =/= saying she's literally the one who decreased his intelligence. All I was saying was that his behaviour and such seem to indicate Mora doesn't let him do anything else and now he's got no problem with that for some reason cause he's dumb now.
ID: 07d96 No.7181
>>7180>All I was saying was that his behaviour and such seem to indicate Mora doesn't let him do anything else
It doesn't. Where are you getting this from?
ID: 07e37 No.7182
Gee, maybe the fact that we've never even been given a hint of him trying out any sort of hobby or anything since the Digit death fakeout chapter ended, and he constantly talks as though his entire reason for existing is to work for and pleasure Mora?
ID: 13989 No.7183
The comic hasn't shown him on the toilet either, do you assume Mora doesn't let him poop?
ID: eac8a No.7185
Welp, I'll get the popcorn.
ID: 0450b No.7186
>Hook up with the new lizard girl that moved in without second thoughts, because you're not in any relationship>Freak out because you're afraid the other girl you're trying to impress and hook up with might not approve
Because that's perfectly reasonable. Totally.
ID: 07e37 No.7187
Miles, you'll have nothing to worry about anymore once Rach finds out about this. Cause you'll have a very certain "fuck no" from her.
ID: 07e37 No.7188
I think Skidd has officially given one of the best possible views on this:
>If Miles was super serious about getting with Rach, then he would have held out for her, and resisted the urge to go fuck in the woods. ESPECIALLY since it seems he KNOWS it may upset her. I mean… he WAS given a chance to resist once, but didn't hesitate when Geecku came to his window later.
ID: 13989 No.7189
Wow. Miles has actually managed to annoy Geecku with regards to sex. Truly an achievement.
ID: 1ff67 No.7190
"Tried to resist"
…was this the moment Miles seemed to encourage Geecku to go down on him in the lounge room or when Minos dragged Geecku off?
Yeah drunk horny guys have little to no resistance when it comes to woman who want to have sex with them.
ID: 07e37 No.7195
Where do you see those words you supposedly quoted from the post?
Let's face it, he knew full well and accepted what he was doing, and if he was at all serious about Rachael, her feelings wouldn't be a hasty "oh shit" afterthought and he wouldn't have to wonder if this was an okay thing for him to do. But then again, I guess we've already long established that he thinks of her as some desperate whore who'll crack anyday now AND be fine with him being unfaithful, which isn't even surprising when you consider how toxic his view of women in general tends to be.
ID: f0ac5 No.7211
Skidd must have one hell of a view from the roof of that glass house of his.
ID: d5361 No.7215
What bullshit are you on about?
ID: 6ff4b No.7216
what do you even mean?