ID: ab57c No.91
Durkon's kinda turning into another Villain Sue, where everything just naturally seems to go his way and he easily overcomes practically every obstacle thrown in front of him.
I mean I get that it can't all come crashing down right as things are building up, it's just a bit painful. Zykon's probably one of the worst Villain Sues out there (amusing as he is), this comic really doesn't need another.
ID: f724f No.96
Well to his credit he still has to do what the Order says, unlike what happened with Redcloak and his prior holding of the reins.
But yeah, for now abuse of vampire power Ahoy!
ID: 24ba2 No.217
You mean the not taking further
advantage of her, right?
ID: f724f No.218
Yes, exactly. It's like the giant is actively trying to keep us guessing at this point.
ID: 05402 No.988
>>986>"I had much better taste in girls than her!"
ID: 1a429 No.1170
Friggin' under-CRed monsters.
ID: 0a345 No.1174
Ugh, tell me about it.
ID: cc77c No.1177
You want to talk under-cr'd monsters? Shadow.
CR3? incorporeal, Deals and Kills with strength damage, creates spawn in a matter of rounds! TPK on a 3rd level party.
ID: 5ee87 No.1423
"They arrested me for no reason! You know, in the big scheme of things, on the metatextual level, it wasn't a real reason."
ID: ab57c No.1589
Sometimes things really are more important than money.
Also the last panel is perfect.
ID: 321f5 No.1748
Remember your immunities, kids.
ID: 2b4eb No.1889
This is why you don't split the party.
Even for shopping.
ID: ab57c No.2006
That was a good five or six high-end diplomacy rolls at least, yeah.
ID: 14cb5 No.2262
Last time I saw a beatdown this enjoyable, it was reversed and the big tough green guy was smacking around the nigh-invulnerable twit.
ID: 1e04f No.2397
Also the post-killing-your-nemesis meal.
Haley's gotten to have that one twice, come to think of it.
ID: 63a19 No.2416
Man, people are still whining Haley did the wrong thing in killing Crystal (again)? I get she betrayed her and dumped her into a volcano after defusing hostility, but was it evil or lawful? Hell no, she needed to get tagged again after declining Haley's out and being lawful is irrelevant to Haley morally, pragmatically, and responsibly. Heck, the lawful entity (the DGS officer) signaled the execution. She went along with the plan, one that ignored Due Process because the threat wasn't one the authorities were capable of containing. Nor capable of executing properly since the Electric Chair would make the convict in question into a super-powered psychopath that can turn buildings into artistic masterpieces depicting Swiss Cheese.
I guess that's what happens when you rely on the D&D alignment chart on a web comic, and forget you've probably dealt death wholesale in whatever sessions you played without a thought about it. Remember, staying to your code is fine and all but even Paladins have to think outside the box from time to time if they intend to carry out their duty with the least amount of casualties or the least amount of compromise for the forces of evil. They need only minimize these shortcuts and make up for it elsewhere if they wish to avoid a trip to the church for a redemption spell.
Yes yes, there are DMs out there who are more rigid than the paladins. But that DM better be worth his salt elsewhere behind the screen or else you are playing with a terrible one.
ID: 63a19 No.2479
To add, the sound of their supernatural voices.
I reckon different text colors and bubbles represent different inflections and distortion of sounds.
ID: 9f573 No.2499
Well, the dominating gaze won't work this time. How will he stop them here?
ID: 63a19 No.2508
One thing to note is that Hoder was a god who was tricked by Loki to kill his brother who was invulnerable to anything but mistletoe (eventually he himself was slain by the other gods for killing their crash test dummy). If Rich is using Hoder, I'd be disappointed if the HPoH doesn't use trickery of his own to get what he desires from them.
ID: ab57c No.2601
For doing such long comics on this subplot we sure don't seem to be getting much of anywhere.
ID: 63a19 No.2603
Well Durkon's inner hollow isn't helping since he takes up panels instead of thought bubbles. Rich could just make Durkula's thought bubbles greyed out and Durkon's thought bubbles as normal but it would still take too much panel space to see anything else.
Add in the fact that this is going into a book and Rich just has to throw his hat at innovating art design. Best he can do is just dedicate the space to them instead of fiddling with room.
ID: dd163 No.2729
I wonder if the reason for revising it was to make Haley seem like less of a bitch, or to make VampDurkon seem less helpful.
ID: 3a005 No.2731
I would guess the Haley thing, she does come off awfully bitchy in the original, especially if you read the revised version first. (Heck, in the revised version she's almost a little too nice.)
ID: 63a19 No.2736
Well actually it's because they already discussed this prior to Bozzok unleashing the metaphorical hound on Haley. And it was Haley who suggested winter clothes and Elan who thought Durkon would cast endure elements. So it was an inconsistency fix.
ID: c726b No.3037
They look more like colored pencils than crayon. The lines are finer and more consistent. With crayons the tips dull more quickly so you get a weird warping of the lines.
ID: ab57c No.3141
>>3139>only built it this morning
Those dudes must be some funky fresh Minecraft players.
ID: a3923 No.3147
But what's it going to be used for after they're done with it?
ID: 63a19 No.3149
If I had to guess, they'd take pictures with all the other clerics to be put in their divine picture books like a high school reunion. After which the building is demolished, and a sign is erected in it's place to mind any persistent spells that remain on that spot…possibly another to tell kids to eat their veggies since clerics are so influential.
At least, I'd see that going down in Rich Burlew's world.
ID: a3923 No.3150
It would be a shame to demolish it. They didn't just construct a building, they carved
it from within the mountain. It would also look unsightly to tear it down too, at the risk of that having a flat top.
I'm betting on flea market or dwarven cafeteria.
ID: 04f18 No.3151
Well i'm sure they dont always go to a new location cause eventually those building will be all over the place so I'm sure they occasionally use an old one for meetings or vacation spots
ID: 63a19 No.3543
Addendum: Surely he prepared for his last encounter.
Don't think he can save Hinjo indirectly.
ID: 506d0 No.3544
Not sure if scowl is "Well fuck I'm dead because none of those assholes listened to me" or "When I get back up there I'm killing that fucking vampire".
ID: 2937b No.3547
between 60 and 120 falling damage, plus the dire wolf bite and the window…
He's a high level ranger/barbarian that was raging…there's a slight possibility that he may have survived that fall.
ID: 2937b No.3548
sorry, that's between 20 and 120, average 70
ID: 506d0 No.3571
Welp. Time to start killing holy people.
ID: 63a19 No.3572
Knowing Roy, he'd talk them to death or into submission. Pretty sure someone dying from conversation doesn't constitute murder unless it's a word of death or something.
ID: 63a19 No.3730
Probably better battle music to go with what will ensue but…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WERqZUC1Iug
ID: 9592b No.3732
Ooo, time for Roy's anti-undead sword to earn its keep!
ID: a7976 No.3739
… You know, I forgot about that.
ID: b39cc No.3741
Don't forget the spell disrupting sword tech.
ID: 9592b No.3794
When did logically explaining something ever shut up someone who wanted to complain?
ID: 63a19 No.3796
The goal is not about shutting them up for good, it's better for them to constantly grasp at straws instead of thinking of cast as strawmen like they would be in a real D&D game.
I guess I'm just fed up with all the nitwits constantly trying to optimize a story instead of a game, comics like this and prequel would be boring as hell if they did the same thing we constantly do to get ahead while minimizing effort and strife in the process.
ID: 515f2 No.3850
Two negative levels per slam must suck.
Of course, there is a bit of a problem. Does Durkon have a coffin within a day's travel? Because vampires are notoriously hard to put down for good if they do. 0 hit points, gaseous form, go back to bed.
Another thought. If he's in gaseous form, does he still count as being there for the Godsmoot?
ID: 63a19 No.3852
He likely doesn't have a coffin. Too suspicious to have one built since he lead them to believe he intended to be resurrected.
I also asked that same question, consensus says it does count so long as he can voice his opinion since gas is still physical.
ID: 63a19 No.3911
nevermind, by word of giant it's there to support the 'no backsies' rule by preventing a high priest from leaving.
He's calling for the ushers who may not really be there.
ID: 951b6 No.3917
with a good chance all of em dead
ID: fbbba No.3995
He's gotta start running low on spells at some point, and every one he uses to hurt Roy is one less to heal himself with.
ID: 450ae No.3997
Ouch, Harm hits like a truck.
Also yes, he can. I assume Roy had a readied action to attack on a spellcast, he took it, Vamp-Durkon made the concentration check.
ID: 7ff5c No.4098
I was half-expecting Roy to hit back with a spell of his own.
He's the sort of guy who would multiclass.
ID: 3707e No.4102
Yeah, but he'd have mentioned it if he did. Plus Roy kind of has issues with the idea of being a spellcaster.
ID: 515f2 No.4103
I remember him taking pride in being a single class fighter…somewhere.
ID: ee175 No.4104
there was the flashbacks and stuff when he was dead - Roy has mad daddy issues, and daddy was a wizard - so he really doesn't want to be like that
ID: 3707e No.4179
Nope. It really only affects physical attacks and your AC.
ID: 515f2 No.4180
and your reach, if you're a biped.
ID: 515f2 No.4256
OFF WITH HIS BEARD!
ID: ab57c No.4268
ACTION POINT MOTHERFUCKER!
ID: 515f2 No.4413
Throw the sword at him?
ID: 31eee No.4414
That is the obvious route. I was thinking of dispelling the barrier by putting the bag of critters in the field and opening it inside. Should dispel the barrier, plus would be totally hilarious.
ID: da4e9 No.4519
God fucking dammit, Burlew, not every
story needs more twists than the center slot of a soft serve machine.
ID: e3faa No.4601
Redcloak will probably jump in at the last second speaking for the dark one and vote in favor of saving the world.
ID: 4eb47 No.4782
ID: 31eee No.4801
Scratch that, this is still a chase through dwarven lands. Just means they are doing this completely without aid. Such a shame too, I actually would of liked the HPoT to help out on this vampire hunt.
ID: 515f2 No.4804
Huh, I was hoping that Redcloak would show up and help, since he's the proxy for the Dark One and all.
ID: ab57c No.4805
This plotline isn't going to be resolved before 2020, is it?
ID: 31eee No.4807
Nay, I think this plot arc is to serve as the consequence of Roy trusting the vampire, as well as Belkar's redemption and likely death.
As well as Durkon finally learning the values of self initiative, which will flow with replacing Belkar and his recklessness.
ID: ab57c No.4966
I'm really not sure it counts as a cunning plan if large parts of it revolve around "Ha ha our religion exists in a state of anarchy".
ID: 515f2 No.5259
scroll mishaps are interesting. My favorite one is "The spell takes effect 1d12 hours later"
ID: 515f2 No.5393
Can she wait until nighttime to leave?
ID: d6182 No.5394
That would would depend on the time the temple gets broken down, or if the civil agreement applies outside its walls. She will have a job getting out there without a few other high priests deciding it's in everyone's best interest to rid of Hel's pawn.
ID: 515f2 No.5528
Weapons of Legacy were featured in The Tome of Battle (Book of Nine Swords). It's basically a weapon that you do quests to form a bond to and it gets more powerful as you level up and do the tasks.
It ususally comes at a trade of attack rolls, a saving throw, and hit points for a wide variety of abilities.
Judging by Roy's temperment and what happend, it might be similar to The Blade of the Last Citadel
ID: 515f2 No.5529
Or I'm an idiot and they first appeared in the book "Weapons of Legacy" which, judging by the cover is the book that Roy was given.http://choisey.free.fr/3.5/Help/Weapons%20of%20Legacy.pdf
ID: ab57c No.5696
His characterization lately seems to be that he pretty much thinks of everything, but that this does not render his decision making infallible.
It's an interesting characteristic, actually. It's very tempting (or an unconscious flaw) for a writer to have the protagonist only make mistakes based on lack of information, lack of foresight, or events beyond their control. Having the hero basically say "I thought of that but made the wrong decision" is kind of refreshing, especially in the face of some of Burlew's other writing quirks.
ID: ab57c No.5852
Durkon 1.0 versus Durkon Vista.
ID: 515f2 No.5853
Dr. Durkonsmertz and Durkon the Dwarfapus
ID: ab57c No.5896
Heh, this reminds me of how "the mythical underwater campaign" is a running gag in my gaming group. A reference to how 3.5e books seemed obsessed with providing potential spells, mounts, magic items, and everything for a campaign taking place under the ocean, but you never hear of anyone actually playing
one of those.
ID: 515f2 No.5897
I actually ran one once. Characters were all aquatic races or other MM races like Sauhagin:http://www.d20srd.org/srd/variant/races/environmentalRacialVariants.htm#aquaticRaces
ID: d6182 No.5898
I've also heard of warforged who specialized in ocean floor travel, with bodies meant for enduring the crushing pressure and mobility to traverse with the least impairment from the gravity that be.
Personally, I find the issue with underwater campaign is that even with all the inclusion of materials and background to make it possible, it lacks a common thing that has solidified campaigns that take place with at least two feet on the ground: pop culture inspiration. Sure we have the likes of Aqua man, but in the big picture the doings of underwater aren't relate-able in fierce and glorious means unless it's on a boat, and modern concerns for it are usually environmentally involved.
ID: ab57c No.5974
Welp, it was nice getting to know those poor doomed NPCs.
ID: e932e No.6019
>>6018>Known for it's terrifying lack of both eyes and vowels
I see two. Vowels.
ID: ab57c No.6183
Don't get into environmental modifiers, dude, it's worse than the grappling rules.
ID: 515f2 No.6327
I always forget that Worgs can speak common. It would be good to remember the next time I run a D&D campaign. Just have a couple in pens and have them just randomly start a converstion with the players.
ID: fa421 No.6449
Oh shit, I forgot about Nilbogs. For good reason, too.
ID: ab57c No.6529
Someone's been watching the Addams Family movie lately.
ID: ab57c No.6589
It's basically level grinding, why complain?
ID: 51843 No.6615
How is he holding the brush, the umbrella, and the bucket all at once?
ID: ab57c No.6616
Umbrella's probably resting on his head or horns or whatever.
ID: d6182 No.6623
Alternatively, he could be balancing it between his head and shoulder if his anatomy is human based.
Or more than 2 hands, but really that's a discussion for the OOTS forums.
ID: ab57c No.6675
Seems to me they're kind of exposed up there, what if whatserface does another flyover?
ID: a99c0 No.6676
I think that's why they want to build up the snow bank some more. There's an overhang above them which blocks view from most angles and the extra snow on the bank should make spotting them from other angles difficult.
ID: ab57c No.6790
I imagine him as voiced by John Mahoney.
ID: 51843 No.6792
That's actually a really good pick. I can hear it.
ID: ab57c No.6945
Honestly Roy's dad seems like he might be Lawful Neutral at best. Possibly bordering on Neutral Evil, if he hadn't actually seemed vaguely bothered by the dwarves winding up being tortured for eternity.
ID: ab57c No.7059
Ah, every Rogue's favorite spell.
ID: ab57c No.7163
That… is actually a really good Belkar moment.
ID: 51843 No.7457
Does this count as a callback? or just an improvement on an old technique.
And they call it a waste of a feat.
ID: ab57c No.7554
It's always been pretty clear that Burlew is the sort of guy who cheers for the villain, and that's reflected in his writing.
ID: 51843 No.7928
This sets a terrible precedent for chain of command. "captain is always right" is generally the go to in emergency situations. Fight about it later.
ID: 7160a No.7945
would this count as "technically fixing the problem?"
ID: d6182 No.7947
Depends if it gets them into town instead of sustaining too much damage to even get repairs should they turn around to get out (while already deep in).
Also went on the forums to see the discussion over it. People as usual forget that being good means bisecting Andi isn't an option. If you ask me, all the crew members will still get paid EXCEPT for Andi, who's pay will instead go towards paying for a healer for Bandana (who will probably have to wear a bandana over her head for the lump that will briefly occur). It seems the most rational for a Lawful Good take for failure due in part to insubordination.Provided the crew doesn't lie for her.
ID: ab57c No.8165
Gee, it's almost like you're not qualified to lead, you dumb bitch.
ID: d6182 No.8353
If it weren't for the fact that we still had some feet on the ground, I'd call this one a game over right on the mark.
ID: ab57c No.8358
I would seriously not be surprised if Roy kills the bitch.
ID: d6182 No.8372
Right? Pretty sure a man of Roy's knowledge stature would have a heart to heart with her about 1) Crew Safety and Consideration 2) Ship Integrity and Physics and 3) Chain of Command. Considering the current situation however, he'd be more productive untying Bandanna so she can do what he can't without self defense: BITCH SLAP HER INTO A COMA.
ID: 51843 No.8483
Eugh, I guess it's in vogue right now. Doesn't make it any less cringey
ID: d6182 No.8485
It was all I could do to ignore the crap that got spouted on the top half. Hell it doesn't even belong, especially towards a dude who acknowledged she was made of stronger stuff than her colleague.
I swear, Elan better pull a Sephiroth on her if Roy inevitably fails at whatever diplomatic opportunity this repressed fit of gender bias brings up.
ID: fc607 No.9017
Kind of like our presidency.
ID: 58a57 No.9202
Maybe a locked gauntlet or some kind of summoning charm
ID: 58a57 No.9203
This is the spell I was thinking of…oh but it's conjuration. The school V is prohibited from
ID: fc607 No.9271
Addendum: re-reading it, it's also irrelevant if Belkar is going to die. Mr. Scruffy will most likely follow him to his grave.
ID: 51843 No.9432
They are ignoring that, Since it's the safest room in the building, that's where all the dwarves are holed up.
ID: fc607 No.9433
Assuming Thor managed to get word out to the other clerics anyways. I'd assume the high priests are the ones who the gods communicate through to the rest of their clergy and I'm pretty sure the summit they are currently in is stil blocking telepathic communication.
Then again, Lord thyrmm managed to get a bunch of frost giants to throw boulders at the Mechane so it's possible they do in fact know.
ID: 51843 No.9435
No, I mean as a standard safety drill. "If monsters attack, book it to the temple of Thor"
ID: bc411 No.9444
I see it more as they see the events but don't have any empathy so they can only guess at the reason for the events
ID: 51843 No.9509
Well, if everything of value is underground then they'd hace to go below ground to invade anyway
ID: 51843 No.9744
Well, now we know that V (and presumably the rest of the party) is 17th level.